Michael Chernow

When I also, I see what you've done with this brand and you've done, it's just, it's like, and I'm sure you probably have a lot of things to say about this, but just like for a guy that's just coming into this industry,

you know, four years in and just seeing how you've done it, the community that you've built, dude, is just incredible.

I appreciate that.

It's incredible.

Thank you.

And also hearing you talk about God, right?

Like that's inspiring for me.

I'm going to knock on your door, man.

Let me know.

I appreciate you having me on, dude.

Thanks, man.

And then I knew one person who I respected who was sober.

And it was a woman named Karen who was like an older sister to me.

She worked in this nightclub that I was a bar back at when I was like 16.

And her and I just clicked.

And she would always just take me in whenever I was down and out.

Like if I was strung out and just like...

I needed to like be somewhere that was not in the street.

I called her because I knew she was sober.

And she was like, wherever you are, stay.