Chapter 1: What sparked the conversation about holiday romances?
I remember, we're talking about holiday. Dave, we've just found out in a... Call me Dave. Dave here. No, no. No, I didn't. I didn't say Dave. I've never called you Dave. Talking about holiday rounds and David just said I had one. I remember being on holiday when I was little and we were getting on a coach. How little? I don't know, about seven or something. Oh, God. Getting on a coach.
I didn't have a holiday romance at seven. I'm telling you something I remember. Didn't have one at 17. Fuck. But I got on the coach and I was sat in the window and there was a girl hugging this boy. Girl what? There was a girl. I was looking out the window of the coach. Hugging?
Yeah, so I'm on the coach looking out, and outside there was a girl, teenage girl, hugging a boy, and she was crying her eyes out. And I said to my mum, why is she crying? And my mum went, she's obviously had a holiday romance. And I was like, what do you mean? Well, they've obviously, she explained what holiday romance was. And then I remember, because she was crying his eyes out.
He wasn't, though. She was crying her eyes out. Yeah, she was crying her eyes out. He wasn't.
Yeah, he wasn't.
He got on the coach. I remember watching the girl being comforted by another girl. But she was like, she was awake.
she was right yeah she was really crying yeah he got on the coach and walked up the aisle and i remember watching him walk up the aisle like he was a suit like like movie star right yeah and i was like so and i remember because in probably in those days that meant there was no way of contacting each other probably you know you're wrong there well you could probably swap phone numbers but they weren't gonna there were no phones
They weren't going to Zoom call each other, were they? No. So anyway, what happened to you? Where were you? What age? I was just trying to think, what can I tell? This lady might still be out there. How old were you, by the way? 15. So she's not going to give a fuck. 36 years ago, still hankering after that. No, not hankering. She might go, hey, this is private. Well, let's take that risk. Wow.
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Chapter 2: What memorable experience did David have in Ibiza at 15?
Such a profound holiday romance. Well, I don't want to, you know, disrespect. I don't want her to go, I hate you. I don't want her to feel like I'm disrespecting our moment together. Do you think there's a possibility that she might not even remember it? No, she'll remember it. Of course she'll remember it. You know all your holidays. We went there, there. I remember everything.
What percentage do you think she's still a little bit sensitive about it? Maybe not since, oh right, if I heard a podcast called Weetabix, I met this guy, right, fucking hell, I met this guy in 1989 in Ibiza. In Ibiza? You were 15 in Ibiza? What were you doing in Ibiza? Did you go with your parents? Do you know what? Now I understand you. This is all about you going, I haven't lived a life
Did you go on your own? Isn't it? I don't know. So the way it comes out is, oi, you should have been at home, mate. Do you go on your own? Hang on, I'll just ask the question. Is this about you going, why do you get to do it and I don't? Probably, but anyway. Nothing I can do about it now. What did you feel when you heard that? Were you like, fucking? Yeah. What, annoyed? Yeah.
Well, I don't know. You haven't answered. Did you go on your own with friends? I was with a mate's mum and dad, Nim. Yeah, all right. Okay, now just get your fucking talons. Neil's mum and dad. Who was on holiday? Me, Neil, Neil's mum and dad. You know who I was with? Ryan Sue. Ryan Sue. Ryan Sue? Yeah.
Chapter 3: How did David's mother explain the concept of a holiday romance?
My mate and his mum, we named the Cockfields. Ran Sue. I was with Ran Sue.
Oh. Yeah.
Oh, that's nice. Yeah. So you've gone to Ibiza. Do you remember that? I'm going to say two words to you. The cove. Three words. The secret cove. Did you keep going back to a cove with this girl? We went there once. Was it a secret? And you had to climb over rocks to get there. Yeah, that'd be all I care about. It's the least interesting bit about this. Tell me all about climbing down into a cove.
Couldn't give a fucking shit, mate. You're fucking good, sir. In the dead of night, after the clubs. Yeah, right. After the club. Go on then. I think her name was Claire. I know she wore all white. I love the way it starts. We're all building up about how sensitive you are about it. I think her name was Claire. She was from Manchester. I think her name was Claire.
Fucking hell, she'll be out there somewhere. Hopefully. I bet she's into Rob and Josh's pod. I bet she listens. But she's got two grown up kids. She goes, oh, she relates to their pod. So what we know so far, there was a secret cove. We think her name was Claire and she probably listens to Perrin. I think she was blonde. Mousy blonde. Okay. How did you meet her? I have no eye pierced. No memory.
I remember the Secret Cove. I remember she wore stilettos. She was 46. I think she was older than me. I think she was a year older. That's even more amazing. A year older. It was the most incredible holiday, honestly. Thank you, Ryan Sue. I honestly, and I'm not just saying this, I don't think I knew Ibiza was a place. It's not like I was going, where are we going to fucking Ibiza? I was 15.
I know, but I'm just saying you were in Ibiza with someone potentially called Claire. I was in a secret cove. I really, it really felt like one of those moments where I was like, I'm becoming a man. Is it like the beach? The film was like the beach. It was like the beach. It was. It was like the beach. It was. I was learning about life in the cove.
It's a frustrating little amount of detail I'm getting here. It was like the beach. It was. I was learning about myself. Fuck off. Just tell me what happened. Well, she had white stilettos. Yeah. And she dressed in white. She listens to Rob and Josh. Still wears stilettos. And I remember the parting of the work, because I think we both experienced something on the beach.
It's not like she was a... Everything was new to her, it felt. I love the idea if you ask. Is this all new to you? Is what we're doing new to you? As it is to me. I feel like I'm coming of age. And also, I don't want anyone thinking, oh, he did all that. No, we didn't do that. Thank you.
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Chapter 4: What was significant about the secret cove David visited?
Yeah, but if you found it, how fucking secret is it? Seriously. God, I just have a memory there. I was just sat on the beach at the secret cove with her and just seeing the sea and just, I don't know. Oh, here we go. Maturing. I knew it was going down there. I could feel myself. No, genuinely, it was a real moment. It's like, wow, I've gone up again.
Yeah.
I should definitely write a song called Let It Snow. I'm absolutely... I want to tell you. I'm not going to tell you. I'm not going to tell you what happened in the cove. But let me tell you this. I'm not going to tell you what happened in the cove. Tickedown, I couldn't give a rat's ass.
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But it was a moment for me. It was. You know, when you look back and you go, I don't know how I did that. With some girl we think was called Claire. With some girl called Claire or something. I don't know. Unless she listens to Rob and Josh. God, if you hadn't said... He's popped out a few scrubs now in their mid-twenties. If you hadn't said that, it would be such a more romantic story.
If you hadn't said to listen to Rob and George. I don't know who she is. But she could still be on the beach. She could still be coving it. Do you know what? I'd love to just ask her, do you remember that? I think she'd go, you know, it was really nice tonight. I do. It was really nice tonight. Oh, the life of me remember your name. She won't remember my name. I don't.
I think she was called Claire. So there is another part to this story. I hope there is a part, yeah. Another seems a bit... I remember.
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Chapter 5: What details does David remember about the girl named Claire?
So I think we spent like two days together. We definitely spent maybe even that one night. I think she was going or I think she was going the next day. Oh, here we go. Yeah, I think it was her. Was it me? One of us was going. One of us was on the... We had to say our goodbyes. And the secret code? No, no. Like where the coach picks up the tourists. Oh, like... Yeah.
There could have been a seven-year-old version of me looking at you yeah so i can't remember but it was upsetting any difference in this story the man's crying i can't remember i don't know if we stayed on the on the island after she left or the other way around i think we stayed oh so it was it was completely she got on the coach i was i was we were gutted i'm gonna be honest here
There was a tiny seed in me. Well, was there? Or was it on the beach? On a rock. There was a tiny bit of me that thought, you're not right for me. Jesus Christ. There's a slight relief you're heading off. She might have thought the same. He's not right for me. Was this the bit you were worried she might be hurt with 36 years later? No, the fact we're making it like an entertaining episode.
But I did go, I don't think you're right for me. And do you know what it was? The white stilettos. Because I remember being in the club. This was, it's just like a big moment for me. And a guy was wearing a Cure lullaby t-shirt. And I thought... I was starting to become a punk. And you thought, he thinks if she's my girlfriend... No, I just thought, I don't... That's not my world, that look.
So much going on in that little head. Yeah, I know. So, it doesn't end there. Fucking hell. Really upset, waving goodbye... You know, genuinely, I really liked her. I think your name was Claire. We send love letters. No. Yeah. Oh, God. So I get home. I still weep. And we are on the phone. Really? Loads. My God. Like 45 minutes. You can't remember a name? No, not for the life of me.
I think I remember it being bland. A one syllable bland name. Oh, I thought you meant the conversations. Oh, no, no. It was very much, you can come up, you come down, we'll meet. I'll miss you. I'll miss you too. Remember the cove? It really was. It was quite intense. And I think my mum would go, oh, Claire rang again. She's hard work. She was. It turns out she likes to chatter.
She loves to natter. Amazing you can't pick all that up beyond someone in a cove. God, I wonder where her letters are, because we sent letters to one another. They'll be well gone. But I've experienced that thing of meeting someone, like the white hot intense, and then having to say goodbye, and then trying to keep it going, and then it sort of petering out. That's the bit I'm so interested in.
How did it, do you remember how it petered out? You just weren't bothered about phoning each other, I guess. I think I just, maybe she wrote stuff in the letter that I was like, not for me. And honestly, I kept thinking about her white stilettos. You've been too punky for them. Well, I was moving. We were like that. I'm not going to take you to one of my punky nightclubs. Good luck with that.
He started going to a club called Sister A's in Brighton. You know, it's sort of punky and that. I was imagining taking her there. I was like, that's definitely not happening. He's a fucking geek. Oh, God. Couldn't you have just said, do you mind not wearing them? Oh, I didn't want to. Not for me to say. Didn't want to hurt her feet. But I have this memory of that in all seriousness.
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Chapter 6: How did David feel about the intensity of his experience?
Basically, we hunt for We Think Her Name's Claire, and we find out she listens to Rob and Josh. Well, she's dead. I was thinking that on and off quite a few times. I know, because I could easily have been killed. Not died, been killed. The shit I put out there. What if she presents a pod that I think is crap? Well, she does. Not do a pod, but if she does. Yeah. Some sort of fashion pod.
I don't think it is going to be fashion. How do Manchester people talk? Like Craig. Oh, God. Yeah. God, absolutely. If she came on Zoom and said, I found her, if she came on Zoom, I'd go, wow, I had no idea you looked like that. Yeah, it could be anyone. Yeah. All I remember is just, I think she was blonde.
Is there any way of going, right, you don't even tell me, but there's a bit of information that only she'd know? Do you know what I mean? Like, did we... I don't know. You know what I mean? Yeah, all right. I've got to tell you something else now. What? I fell in love with someone else on that holiday. Now, she was a different fucking ball game. Fucking hell.
We've done 30 minutes on something you're not bothered about. Hold on, hold on. But you fucking phoned her for three weeks. Yeah, yeah, I phoned her.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Are you hedging your bets? No, the other one didn't like me. She was a year older. She was from Watford. Honestly, absolutely different fucking ball game. I love the way you can remember where they're from, but not their names. Watford and Manchester. We think Claire, we think Pam. Is there anything... Tell you what, if you're 53 from Watford and you've got blonde hair... Getting tired.
And you went to Ibiza... Oh, and you went to Ibiza. In 1989... Email me. Not bothered about finding Claire, though. No, I'm happy about that. I'll do that as well. Let's just think about that. We spoke about Claire for half an hour. No point did you go, if you think you're that woman, talk to her about the one you liked for 40 seconds. If you're 53 from Watford with blonde hair, get in contact.
Email me at chatamix.com. It is my private email. Not private. I'm prepared to travel. Podcast email. Keep it fun. Also, I still love you. Yeah, she was just like, she was a beauty queen. Absolute. And you didn't get anywhere near her? No. Are you saying Claire wasn't a beauty queen? Don't. No, I'm not. She was very pretty. I really liked her. The energy, the energy you're giving to her.
What fun, Pam, compared to, we think her name's Claire. No, I'm wrapping up for the pod. She was really lovely. I really liked her. Well, now you're saying it. I don't think she was into me that much. She was, oh God, crying into her pillow. Not at all. She was, move on. I thought I was a dick. I'm just saying there's a gear change. I didn't think she was a dick.
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