Let the Rabbit See The Dog (with Ania Magliano!) | The History of Beauty Standards (Part 2)
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome back to FinVersus History. Joining me is Horatio Gould. Hello. And Anya Magliano. Hello. To get into male beauty standards.
let the rabbit see the dog oh very interesting we're gonna really have our eyes open a new perspective yes women find stuff attractive too yes i'll believe it when i see it it's really interesting to watch this play out already because you already saw the first episode i saw the first one i watched some of it yeah and then sometimes i went on my phone sure it was very funny yeah what did you think about the kind of what do you think about men's view of women then i guess from that
I thought really positive.
Really positive, really solid.
Felt like you got to the nub of a lot of situations.
It was objective, I think.
If anything, it was too objective.
Well, I don't want to bring feelings into it.
I thought, are these guys asexual? Because they are refusing to comment on some of this stuff.
No, we showed remarkable restraint.
I guess the great difference, though, I think I would say this is probably a more interesting topic because it's more complicated. It's got less strict rules, I believe.
what you recommend men's beauty standard.
Would you say the gender you're trying to attract defines your beauty standards?
How do male beauty standards differ from female standards and who sets them?
Would you agree?
This is what's interesting about male beauty standards is that they're sort of to some extent set by men rather than women.
But is that true? Well, we'll find out. Because if women only liked guys who like... If straight women love that. Yeah.
Yeah.
Amazing hypothetical straight off the bat. then straight guys would be like that, wouldn't you think?
I don't know, because I thought what was striking about the male beauty standards is it does feel like a lot of them are about looking strong or good for war or stuff like that, where I actually think it's for other men to look at and be like, this is nice for me.
This was my thought during the Manosphere documentary, was that you had these men who were ripped and bragging about money, speaking to an audience of men using women as a prop to impress men. So the whole thing's gay. It's not actually straight at all, the manosphere.
I wouldn't say they're male beauty standards. I think they're off the boil because I don't think that's what women find attractive.
But that's what I mean. So when we talk about male beauty standards, this is really something that men think men should look like rather than women. Because women like soft men. Sometimes. They like soft bellies. Hold on, hold on.
Please, I'm being objective. Do not interrupt him while he's talking. I'm being objective. I'm a scientist.
All right, I'm walking.
I'm walking.
You've had two and a half women on this podcast. I'm going to leave halfway through.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but for women, sexuality is tied more to ethereal concepts like, you know, whether you left the fridge door open that day, what direction the wind is blowing in. Has there been a microaggression in the day? That's what I mean. It's unknowable.
It's unknowable. For women, it is mostly about has there been a microaggression in your day? And that's what a lot of people are missing. If there's been a microaggression in your day, you're horny as hell.
I guess it's more like crystals, star signs. It's a load of shit. It's not a science. No, it's not objective. You can't test it.
Whereas for men, women's beauty standards, it's objective.
Tick sass.
Something in the middle, for God's sake.
Ideally. Ideally. But not too much. Not too much. Unless there's nothing in the middle, we'll make do. Unless you're into that, which is fine.
What I will say is I think it's a mix. Like I think it might have gone too far the other way now. And there's too much focus on like men's vibes. And it's like, let's not forget that you need to look all right.
So the ugly hot sort of revolution. Ugly hot revolution. Yeah. Rodenboy Summer. Dad bod.
Yep.
I think, yeah, but I sometimes feel like women imply beauty standards of men to be like, we can do it too, but it doesn't last because your heart's not in it.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:02–1:23
2
How do male beauty standards differ from female standards and who sets them?
1:23–7:29
3
Why do women prefer 'vibes' over objective traits when judging male attractiveness?
7:29–37:13
4
What were ancient male beauty ideals from Egypt to Greece and why did they change?
37:13–58:37
5
How did the Medieval and Renaissance eras reshape masculine grooming and symbolism?
58:37–1:01:19
Speakers
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