Pickles The Dog Didn’t Kill Himself (with The Upshot!) | The History of The World Cup (Part 2/4)
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What controversial events surrounded the 1950 World Cup?
welcome back to finn versus history we're joined by zach and jack from the upshot podcast look at this what an honor boys have finally returned the favor yes we've all been on the podcast the only podcast in the world to have all three of us on oh yeah we've had charlie as well yeah yeah yeah how was it having charlie on
It was entertaining. Charlie's an excellent guest. It was nice to get Charlie in front of the camera. We talked about a bloke who had a spike get up his arse, which was very much home turf for Charlie. Home fixture for Charlie.
This is part two of our World Cup series. You guys, it's a terrific podcast, The Upshot. We were saying last episode, it's similar to this in that you pay a researcher and then put it in the bin and call whoever you're talking about, a paedophile. Which is...
It's a new genre of podcast. It's a new genre of podcast, yeah.
The heavily researched baseless paedophile accusation podcast. But you do sports. Now, we talked about the World Cup pre-war last time. We're going to kick off post-war now. Now, Germany and Japan... had been banned from the 1950 World Cup. Why had they been banned? Well, I don't think... Was it because of the Holocaust?
Why were Germany and Japan banned from the 1950 World Cup?
Yes. I don't think it's a long enough ban, personally. It was banned for one tournament.
One tournament. Would it not have been better to force them to come and then destroy them?
Because presumably... The problem is that they win in 54. And the problem is that you look at what the generation of politicians were doing before that and their racial laws, and it's icky, isn't it, in the post that they win.
Yeah.
What are you saying as an amateur?
As an amateur eugenicist, I'm saying it's an icky result for the post-war consensus.
Not icky for you. No, I'm enjoying... It's driven everything you've said so far.
How did Brazil's loss in the 1950 World Cup impact the nation?
It's a culmination of my theories.
For the average Joe, it might be icky.
Yes, for the weak, lily-livered average Joe, the fact that Germany win in 54, having pursued a 20-year policy of racial sterilization.
It was sort of the antidote to 1936 Olympics, right? Because that was the one where they were basically trying to prove it, prove that eugenics was right, and then they got proven wrong.
Saying antidote, I like that, because it's like saying 1936 was an aberration.
A blip.
That was a blip.
And now we're back on track.
1936 was a tragedy.
1954, everything clicked into place. Okay. So how long is the ban? Six matches. Genuinely, it seems that... So there's not a tournament for... So end of World War II, 1945. Then the next tournament is 1950 in Brazil, which we'll deal with shortly. But yeah, Germany and Japan are banned for one World Cup cycle for committing the Holocaust. Yeah. It doesn't feel like enough...
Well, I think they should play, but they should have some sort of disability. Either they do it in blindfolds. Yes.
What significance did the 1954 World Cup hold for Germany?
They do it dead or like, I don't know. Or they have it like it's a three-legged race thing. Like they have to be in potato sacks.
Or they have to do it with less players.
And they play against Israel. Israel win 20-0. That could be like a nice bit of closure.
Because even so, right now Russia's banned, right? Is it? I think Russia are... They're banned from the World Cup and banned from the Euros. Well, see, that's a disgrace. I think it's been like... Now it's been a few tournaments that Russia's been out for.
Can you just Google how many tournaments Russia have been banned for currently? Because they have not committed the Holocaust.
They're just protecting their border. Putin's just protecting his national security. It's a special operation.
It's his Western border.
There's a special operation on his Western border. It's just a special operation.
It's a police managing situation on his Western border. So, hang on. FIFA and UEFA have lifted their ban on Russian under-17 teams.
I guess it's not their fault. No. The youth.
How did Pele's early experiences shape his football career?
You can't blame the youth.
My problem is, if you ban a country for one World Cup for committing the Holocaust, then what does a ban mean anymore?
There's... Because that's like the naughtiest thing you can do.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What controversial events surrounded the 1950 World Cup?
0:02–1:17
2
Why were Germany and Japan banned from the 1950 World Cup?
1:17–1:53
3
How did Brazil's loss in the 1950 World Cup impact the nation?
1:53–2:56
4
What significance did the 1954 World Cup hold for Germany?
2:56–3:48
5
How did Pele's early experiences shape his football career?
3:48–4:51
6
What role did politics play in the 1966 World Cup?
4:51–5:25
7
How did the 1970 World Cup change the perception of Brazilian football?
5:25–6:35
8
What legacy did the 1974 World Cup leave on international football?
6:35–1:05:49
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