Not All Pain Has a Purpose | Marisa Renee Lee
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What is the central message about pain and purpose that Marisa Renee Lee shares?
So there's a piece of advice you have probably heard at your lowest moment. This is happening for a reason. Find the lesson. Make it mean something. My guest today has built her entire career on grief and healing, and she thinks that advice is often just wrong. In this conversation, you'll discover why she named an entirely new kind of grief, one with no end date and no cultural script until now. How identity and essence pull apart the moment everything you built your worth on just disappears. We'll talk about why refusing to acknowledge pain is exactly what turns it into suffering and how hope works less like a feeling and more like a discipline. Practice hardest on the worst days. And finally, what it looked like to hold her family through a loss most of us can't imagine and keep believing anyway.
Our guide is bestselling author and grief expert, Marissa Renee Lee, author of Waiting for Dawn. So excited to share this conversation with you. I'm Jonathan Fields, and this is Good Life Project. And we'll jump right in after this short break. Thank you. We love inspiring stories that show how change is not only possible, but often incredible at any age. And it's not just about work. It's about relationships, location, health, and more. So if you've got a reinvention story you'd love to share, just tap on the link in the show notes and give us a quick summary. And who knows, you might just end up on the podcast, excited to be inspired by your stories. You share something that in your new book, which is fabulous, by the way.
Thank you. You share something that kind of runs directly counterintuitive to pretty much every wellness and self-help evict. And it's this idea, and you state it pretty directly, that you pretty much refuse to urge people to make meaning out of their pain, that you won't promise that it has a purpose in sort of a genre. Yeah. Where, you know, quote, your message, your message is basically gospel. This is a genuinely radical thing to say. So take me into this. What do you actually believe about pain and meaning? And why do you believe that this really the popular story is just wrong?
So it's interesting. And I think there are people who know me and know my work who might think, oh, is that hypocritical? Because this is the girl whose mom gets sick with breast cancer, and she starts the breast cancer charity. And then mom dies. And a decade later, she's writing a book about her and the terrible pregnancy loss that she also encountered. And then Girl gets long COVID and now she's a long COVID advocate. You know, like what what is she talking about? Make it make sense. And the thing that I will say about myself is after just like a lot of reflection and thoughtfulness, I've come to realize two things. One for me. When it comes to healing, I have a bias toward action. Whether the action is going to EMDR therapy, which I started last year, or starting a charity or a new project to try and help solve a social problem.
And every time I look at the things that I have done when I've been in pain, they've also been rooted in anger, honestly. Not in a desire to make meaning, but in a deep rage. You know, most recently when I got sick, I recognized immediately not only how horrible it was to be in pain every day and, you know, to have long COVID and be suddenly disabled and this and that, but I realized how much worse it must be for so many other people. You know, I have I have economic privilege. I have health system privilege. You know, I think about all the things I had to learn when my mom was sick. My husband works in public health. My best friend is a doctor. Like, you know, I have all sorts of relationships and connections that I could leverage.
I can afford to do things out of pocket if they're going to help me feel better. Like, I understand medical research studies. And then I just I know all of these systemic inequities that exist in the world. And so when I put those two things together, like I just I get angry and then I feel a need to do something.
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