Roxane Gay

I'm embarrassed for them.

I don't know.

You know, one of the great things about being in conversation with Narelda is that she's brilliant.

And she asks real questions, not just sort of surface questions.

And so I know that in addition to having fun, we will have a substantive conversation.

And...

I'm really looking forward to it.

Australia has always been very good to me over the years.

And Vivid is a great festival.

And my wife is also actually participating in the Vivid Festival.

So she is doing an event, I think, a day before, two days before mine.

And so we're just looking forward to coming back to Sydney and having great conversations with people there.

So her name is Debbie Millman and she is a designer and brand strategist and, of course, a writer in her own right.

And I think she's having a conversation about design.

I should ask her.

But I know she has an event on –

like two days before mine, I think the 11th.

Well, there are unfortunately multiple definitions for civility, but when it's used in sociopolitical discourse, most often it means don't get too excited.

Don't get too angry.

Don't be too hurt.