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What is Entrust Day and why does it matter to Auckland residents?

Fletcher Christian 0:00
We'll see you next time.
Sherry and Minaya catch the radio show from 6 till 10 weekdays, The Hauraki
Duncan Wisbey 0:34
Breakfast.
Manaia Stewart 0:46
Hey everyone, happy Entrust Day. This is the greatest day of the year that we're actually entering today. Monday the, what, 28th of September 2026. Can you explain
Jeremy Wells 0:57
for anyone, I think this is an Auckland only thing. Ah, right. And even then I think it's particular parts of
Manaia Stewart 1:02
Auckland. Oh, yeah, I think it is actually. Are you guys, is it Entrust Day for you guys or is it not Entrust Day for you guys? Yeah. I wouldn't know.
Jeremy Wells 1:11
I don't know what that is.
Manaia Stewart 1:13
Seriously, it's the greatest day. It's the greatest day to be an Entrust person. An Entrustee? What? An Entrustafarian. What is it? Entrust, it's like a trust, and it has 75% stake in Vector, which is a lines company, which runs the lines. For the power, you've got your retailer who you sign up for. Might be Mercury, might be Meridian, might be Genesis, one of those ones. And then there's that one. And then there's the next bit down is the lines company, so how the power gets to your house. Yeah. And then below that is the generator. And there can't be two. So Mercury and Meridian- Fuck,
Jeremy Wells 2:01
I'm
Manaia Stewart 2:01
lost.
Jeremy Wells 2:01
They
Manaia Stewart 2:02
can- They can be retailers. I have no idea what you're talking
Jeremy Wells 2:05
about.
Manaia Stewart 2:05
You've got to concentrate on what I'm saying.
Jeremy Wells 2:07
Okay. If
Fletcher Christian 2:08
you don't
Manaia Stewart 2:08
concentrate, it's not going to make any sense to you. So the way electricity is made
Jeremy Wells 2:13
in New Zealand. No, I don't give
Manaia Stewart 2:13
a fuck about that.
Jeremy Wells 2:14
Can you tell me what the interest is?
Manaia Stewart 2:15
It's generated. Entrust owns the lines company. So
it's
Manaia Stewart 2:19
how your power is delivered to your household. Okay. Not through the actual retailer. It's the one before that. The re-tailer. Just to make it clear, it's generated, it then generates down lines, and then it is retailed into your house. So those are the three parts to electricity. And they are all divided up, so one company can't own all three things. Right. It
Jeremy Wells 2:44
can own two. But you are allowed to own all of the supermarkets.

How does Entrust’s ownership of Vector affect electricity pricing and dividends?

Jeremy Wells 2:48
Yes, you're allowed to own
Manaia Stewart 2:48
50%
Jeremy Wells 2:49
of
Manaia Stewart 2:49
the supermarkets. But
Jeremy Wells 2:50
not the power. Yeah,
Manaia Stewart 2:51
not the power. Because back in the day, it was owned by everyone. So power was a public thing. It was owned by the government. I feel like power and water both should be. Yeah, power and water were. And a bloody post office.
Jeremy Wells 3:05
Telecommunications
Manaia Stewart 3:06
was owned by
Jeremy Wells 3:07
us.
Manaia Stewart 3:07
Yes. The rail was owned by us. The banks were owned by us too. We owned pretty much
Jeremy Wells 3:12
everything.
Manaia Stewart 3:12
The hotels. The hotels were. We had hotels back in the day. The government had heaps of stuff. Then what happened? It sold it because we were bankrupt. Oh, okay. So we didn't have any money. We had this huge amount of debt and we had to sell it to keep the country going. Yeah, right. In the 80s. It was brutal. And it happened in 1984.
Fletcher Christian 3:29
It happened like
Manaia Stewart 3:30
overnight.
Okay.
Manaia Stewart 3:31
And then all these people lost their jobs and the whole country changed like in four years, basically. Roginomics, that's what Roginomics was. Yeah. So it was just, yeah. But they were really inefficient, but they also
Fletcher Christian 3:44
meant
Manaia Stewart 3:45
that people had jobs and, you know, things were cheaper, etc., It was subsidized basically by the taxpayer. So Entrust owns Vector, which means, which is a lines company, which means that every year Entrust, Vector make up a whole lot of money. They make a profit and they deliver it back to the people who own it. Like a tax refund. Yeah. So as an entrustee,
Fletcher Christian 4:13
as an
Manaia Stewart 4:14
entrustafarian, because I live in an area that entrust on the lines, I get $377 a year. So do I. They give me a $377 check.
Jeremy Wells 4:25
But when this first happened, I was like, this has got to be a scam because we just got a letter in the mail that said, hey, send us your bank account and we'll give you $300. And I was like, like, fuck, am I doing that? I blew my scam whistle.
Manaia Stewart 4:39
Oh, did you?
Jeremy Wells 4:40
Yeah, I blew the scam whistle in a piece of mail. I was like, absolutely not. This is the oldest trick in the book. Send me your fucking thing and I'll... So I didn't.

Why did New Zealand shift public utilities like power and water to private ownership in the 1980s?

Jeremy Wells 4:51
So you didn't. You left that 377 on the table. No, my missus did. Oh, good. And then we got it. Yeah, so I don't know. It may have come into our account. Yeah, because
Manaia Stewart 5:01
you can either get the check and you can go and back the check, or you can get it through on your bill, or you can get it through directly into your bank.

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