UNCUT | Jane Goodall's First Time on the Subway
episodePreviously titled “Jane Goodall's First Time on the Subway” — renamed by the publisher on Sep 1, 2026
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When was Jane Goodall's last subway ride?
When you come to New York, what is your favorite food that you eat? Do you grab a slice of pizza or do you grab a hot dog? Oh, no, you don't grab hot dogs.
Well, wherever I go, I like things like Indian takeaway.
Indian takeaway?
Yeah. I don't like restaurants. You don't like restaurants? They waste money.
Why waste money? So you cook your own meals?
No, just get a takeaway. It's cheaper.
The takeaway is cheaper than going out and sitting down?
Much cheaper.
Have you been coming here for a long time?
Oh, from New York? Years and years and years and years and years.
Years and years and years and years. Yes.
I mean, I'm 90. Come on, I'm 90.
You're 90?
Yes.
That's a beautiful triumph. Do you consider it a triumph?
No.
No, it just is what it is.
Just what it is.
You know, what's really interesting is I've known your name since I was seven years old. I'm 38. So I've known your name for 37 years, which is fascinating to me because your work is so profound and inspiring and impactful. But I think it's a testament to how well you've done for the world and the environment that as a little boy, I knew your name.
It's interesting, isn't it?
interesting probably thanks to national geographic probably thanks to national geographic i saw a lot of pictures of you with with chimpanzees yeah and you look pretty good Looked pretty good. I was smitten. I was smitten back then.
Well, you know, there was a story there that the scientists, because when I began, I had no degree. I hadn't been to university. And I began talking about, you know, everything scientists felt about animals. It was wrong. They thought we were the only beings on the planet, humans, who had personality, mind and emotion, which of course is rubbish.
Right.
And so they were absolutely mad when I got on the cover of National Geographic and people began to know who I was. And they said, well, she's only there because she's got good legs.
No.
If somebody said that now, they'd be sued, right?
I mean, they would be more than sued.
Back then, I said to myself, well, all I want to do is go and study with Jim. And if my legs are helping me get money to do it, good legs.
So you said, that's okay.
Yeah, that's okay.
It's okay with me.
As long as I can get to do what I want to do.
So there was a lot of sexism. I mean, there's still sexism in science.
Much less.
Much less these days, though.
Yeah.
And when you were breaking into that, they did actually say things like that to you?
Oh, yeah. Some of them were being complimentary, and some of them were really being extremely nasty.
You know that lady from Jurassic Park?
Why does Jane Goodall prefer Indian takeaway?
No, I don't think so.
Have you ever seen the movie Jurassic Park?
No. Oh.
I don't see movies. You don't see... I don't have time.
You don't see any movies?
Well, very rare. I was going to ask you what your favorite movie was, but... My favorite movie is Lord of the Rings.
Wait, Lord of the Rings? That's a good movie.
I love it.
Wait, I have to say, I can't believe you've never seen the movie Jurassic Park.
No, I haven't.
You know what it's about, though, right?
Yeah, vaguely.
They take DNA out of a mosquito. They take dinosaur DNA out of a mosquito.
And then they create a theme park filled with dinosaurs, real living dinosaurs.
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